Unpacking my new Grizzly G0623X!!
After waffling back and forth for almost two years on what saw to get or should I get a saw, I finally did it. It arrived this afternoon and I started unpacking it. Here are some pics:
After waffling back and forth for almost two years on what saw to get or should I get a saw, I finally did it. It arrived this afternoon and I started unpacking it. Here are some pics:
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Congratulations! So far so good and I would guess that all will be well.
But we need to see the whole thing, plus some sample cuts to confirm accuracy of settings, parallel movement of table, quality of cut, whether or not you read the manual first etc etc. (;)(;)
But we need to see the whole thing, plus some sample cuts to confirm accuracy of settings, parallel movement of table, quality of cut, whether or not you read the manual first etc etc. (;)(;)
Real Men don't read manuals, Philip. :)
Regards from Perth
Derek
Ha ha , Derek.... Have you been watching too much Top Gear?
(Actually, seriously, that is the way to do reviews. Those guys have it down to a fine art-amusing, informative, hilarious-and you learn many things about cars. I think the Brethren should take note, and they may stop being so cynical about reviews, since right now I have come to the conclusion that if one wants to tell a lie one should do a review, send it to USA, and they will take it as the truth).....(;)(;)Philip Marcou
Philip,On one hand, by reading and closely following the manual, you get a more accurate idea of how it is to put together, as if you knew how it was supposed to go. But on the other, without consulting the manual, you get a better idea of how intuitive the design is.Chris @ http://www.flairwoodworks.com and http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)
- Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
But on the other, without consulting the manual, you get a better idea ..
Old service man here that has written many service manuals... Nobody reads them unless parts are left over...
Edited 7/13/2009 12:22 pm by WillGeorge
SIR! ... I have come to the conclusion that if one wants to tell a lie one should do a review, send it to USA, and they will take it as the truth).....(;)(;)
Philip Marcou
OK I loved the post anyway...
Will,
Don't worry, I was just teasing those who routinely condemn reviews of any sort. They miss out on entertainment value .Philip Marcou
As the very old Comic Book said..
What Me Worry? .. Alfred E. Neuman
Spy VS Spy
Congrats on the new saw. I'm anxious to see the time-lapse photos documenting the 10-minute assembly time. Don't worry, though. We'll give you a couple of extra minutes to tune it. ;-)
Holy Smokes! Congrats, JTM, that's a beast!
Sir,,
Good for you. Have fun and be safe.
A lot of machine to enjoy! AND the cost is very reasonable. Sure wish I had the room AND money for one.
Awsome piece of machinery. Let me know how that slider works!
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Renaldus Magnus
Sweeeeeet! Is assembly a one- or two-man job? Can't wait to get my hands on a little slider like that (no room for a 10' slide!).
and www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)
- Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
So far assembly has been a one man job. Taking apart the crate and pulling or hammering flat all the nails and cutting apart the boards from the crate have been the most time consuming part. As for assembly I didn't make too much progress tonight, I posted a couple more pictures.As for unpacking it, it wasn't that hard to move it off the palette and onto the mobile base. Unfortunately, I slid it off the palette and onto the mobile base and back off the mobile base onto the palette by myself twice! I had to rotate the saw, I positioned the fixed wheels in the wrong direction!
Ugh... I just noticed that I inadvertently posted this to the Hand Tools category. This is kind of the antithesis of Hand Tools. Can this be moved to Power Tools?
Ugh... I just noticed that I inadvertently posted this to the Hand Tools category. This is kind of the antithesis of Hand Tools. Can this be moved to Power Tools?
Anywhere in Knots will do~ It IS a hand tool! You have to push that slider by hand!
I just love your new Saw...
Edited 7/11/2009 6:42 am by WillGeorge
Relocation accomplished!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Jointerman, where do the bundle of cables go? The ends that are in the box under the slider.
Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans.
When your ship comes in... make sure you are not at the airport.
The bundle of cables are connected the magnetic power switch which I have not yet mounted to the saw.
That's a good looking machine. I have a Minimax with a similar form factor and just know you're going to love this saw. Today I've used mine to cross-cut (as an alt drop saw - the stonemason used my LS1013 and seriously bent the fence), rip, cove, rebate, trim and heat my coffee (joking). A Euro slider is a very versatile tool!Malcolmhttp://www.macpherson.co.nz
The Mini-Max is one sweet machine, I looked at it out at their Austin sales office a couple of years back, but was outta my price range though.
I spend a lot of time (well, some time) changing blades - using cheap Chinese cardide blades to quick rip and cross-cut ply and MDF, and swapping in a couple of Freud blades for glue-line ripping of hardwood and for accurate clean cross-cuts and joinery cuts. Sharpening advanced blades like the Freuds is a problem here, and so I nurse them along as much as I can.
I've found that a high-spec, sharp, appropriate blade is the single best aid to good results, once you have the slider set up and the technique sorted.
Malcolmhttp://www.macpherson.co.nz
Hi Malocolm,
You say "Sharpening advanced blades like the Freuds is a problem here, and so I nurse them along as much as I can."
Do you mean in New Zealand or just in your vicinity? And what is the percieved drawback with the advanced blades?Philip Marcou
Hard to explain Philip - I'll try to take a photo. Complex grinding patterns on alternative teeth. The nearest sharpening service to me is Christchurch, and I'm not sure I trust them - I've never had a re-ground blade here that's been as good as the original!Malcolmhttp://www.macpherson.co.nz
Congratulations.
Question?That thick looking white thingy on the top...those aren't the instructions are they?Waiting to see operational result photos.
faster!
faster!BB
BB,That thick book on the table top is just a picture book, I use the cover photo as a reference for what I think the saw should look like once it's assembled! ;)I didn't have too much time to spend today, but it's fairly simple to set up. It's bee assembled at the Grizzly warehouse before shipping, so the slider just fits on without any adjustments. Here's where I am today.Tomorrow, I'm hoping to have time to go out and buy a long power cord. My 30 Amp circuit is on the wrong wall.
From this photo, can we assume that you spread the instructions on the floor, and then use the bike to ride back and forth as you read them? ;-)
and then use the bike to ride back and forth as you read them? ;-)
You are observant AND FUNNY!
Thanks. I try to be observant, but there may be some question about how funny. ;-)
I try to be observant, but there may be some question about how funny. ;-)
Sir.. If I say it was funny no response necessary..Unless I pissed ya off!
Nice acquisition Jointerman... When I worked at the International WW Fair in Atlanta in 2007 I spent about 45 minutes going over that saw. I thought the quaility was very good for the price point and the sliding table was smooth but.. I did not have the opportunity to actually cut on it. So.. I am curious as too how the table performs once you get it up and running. Please do post that info or send me an e-mail if you don't mind on the matter.
I am surprised that more haven't purchased it that use panels. I do few panels so I have no real need and the foot-print wpuld jeopradize my shop traffic flow. I suspect foot-print would be a large factor why more haven't opted for that one as the price is right. Regardless of many that will tell you that 3 HP is sufficient enough for the hobbiest.. if you get into ripping stock over 8/4 you will appreciate the extra "gitty-up and go" of your 5 HP machine.
Enjoy....
Finally got my first cut on the saw today. I also figured out what that extra piece was for... without the manual!
That's great. Nice photo, too. Color me green with Grizenvy. ;-)
OK, now quit monkeying around with that tiny stick and cut some real wood. I'm anxious to know how the saw handles large panels. How large? Yea, that's the question... I suspect a full sheet is beyond its reach (yours too), but where is the limit? And is it a square cut? Does the saw maintain its settings? ...... and moreI'm seriously contemplating one of these saws for my own shop. So, I'm very interested in your impressions of it.
Sap,Here are some pictures of the full length of capacity, I realized afterward that I should have moved the crosscut table up a little bit more to get a full 72 inches. Keep in mind that I didn't have the support legs attached (via T-slots), for full sheets you'd definitely need the support legs attached to the sliding table, it was already precarious.
Try using the slider handle in the horizontal position using the side slot on the slider. That is where I have mine and that is where it is usually mounted on Euro sliders.
Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans.
When your ship comes in... make sure you are not at the airport.
If you put it in the side slot you can stand between the handle and the side extension and use your hips to move the saw in and out when doing repeat cuts. Rock and roll!Malcolmhttp://www.macpherson.co.nz
I'll consider it when I actually need it. On the side, it'd just be one more thing to bump into!
Nice looking saw, I'm sure your going to like using it. I carefully considered getting a slider. But decided at the time I just didn't have the room.
Lets get making some sawdust!! I want to read what you think about the setting up process, and the final results.
Taigert
Is that brown cardboard box part of the dust collector? ;>)
And get a Twist-Lock electrical plug/receptacle if your codes allow!
Edited 7/13/2009 12:27 pm by WillGeorge
Edited 7/13/2009 12:28 pm by WillGeorge
ARGH!Got home from The Home Depot with an L6-30P and an L6-30R. I needed to replace the 30A dryer style receptacle that my electrician installed in my shop. So what's the ARGH?I pull the L6-30R out of the box, it reads L5-20R.... ARGH! The packaging clearly says L6-30R, but no joy, the receptacle is not! No power, no cuts.ARGH!
Nice. Very nice! Of course, I now have you to thank for a serious case of GAS!
That's a beauty!
I just unpacked a Griz G1023SLW and finished setting it up; it needed little to no adjustments and the manual was flawless.
Coming out of an old Craftment contractors saw into this one was a major leap for me. I expect it will be my last saw. The addition of an integral cast iron router table will also be nice. I have been through a couple of sagging home made tables. Looking forward to my next project.
Congrates, you enjoy.
Ron,The Griz G1023SLW was on my list, very nice saw. Let's see some posts and pictures!I'd love to put in a router table to the right of the saw. But the right side extension table that it came with is thick aluminum... or is it steel? Not sure how I'd be able to cut a hole in it for a router. I'll may look into making a new side table later.I believe that you can purchase a router table for your saw from Grizzly.
Boys, Boys Boys:
Girls read instructions and then artfully help their guys get it done right, that's why the assembly manual is so neatly laid out on top of the saw. The bicycle is for you guys to take a ride on once you realize that we (girls) were right once again and you need to burn off a bit of energy :-)
Very cool saw instruction book or not! Be sure to let everybody know what you think of it once it's all together and in service.
Madison
Madison,I'll have you know that that is my wife's new bike. She got a new bike and I got a new saw! It's pretty cool 8-speed internal hub commuter bike, but I think it weighs almost as much as both of my bikes combined!More saw reviews to come... gotta finish up the day job and walk the dog... then to the saw!
So Jointerman, how in the world did you get her to agree to a $500 bike while you bought a $5000+ saw? Around here hubby would be showing me Cervelo timetrial bikes and talking about Zipp wheel sets if I said I needed a new table saw!
Enjoy!
Madison
Madison,First off, the saw was less than $3K, but it's still a lot of money! Actually when I include the cost of the mobile base and power cord, it was probably $3100. I got a pretty beefy Rockler all terrain mobile base.Secondly, my wife actually got the bike and a Kindle 2!
Boys, Boys Boys:
Can I say in here? Why Men love Woman? And Why Women sort of like Men..
WillGeorge:
Slow down big guy you're sweeping me off my feet!
Madison
Just wanted to show off with a post of this picture... This is how I roll and slide. :)
Jointerman:
Nice ride! Mine is an aluminum Speccialized Allez and I've replaced all the components with Campy Record and Hed wheels. Soon as I get my new digital camera figured out I'll try to post a shot.
Thanks for sharing!
Madison
Jointer you are a joker, posting in the hand tool area... <grin on that Freudian slip>
I would love to see a pic of your whole shop with this monster inside it! Now with tools like that you need a big shop, and then Madison can ride the bike around and deliver the materials to the next station for ya! That is the definition of a shop commuter bike!
Morgan
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Down in California, they have bikes with racks on the back for their surfboards. I wonder if I could retrofit one on my bike to pick up plywood - if it's not too windy!Chris @ http://www.flairwoodworks.com and http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)
- Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
How's the saw?
So... I'm looking at buying this saw in a couple months (waiting to go down for the Bellingham Tent Sale). What are your thoughts after almost a year of use?
Chris, I accidentally replied to myself instead of you for your question. You should still be able to see it though.
The saw is working great, but remember, I'm just a hobbyist. Lots of power and lot's of safety built in (magnetic s The side extension tables come off and on with ease. But that said, there are some things that I'm still adjusting to. It is not like a traditional saw in many ways:
- There are no miter slots to the right of the blade
- I did have to adjust to ripping, the slider sticks out, so you have to work from the side of the saw.
- The Miter slot to the left of the blade is not the standard American size, it's whatever the Euro standard is
- Panels are super easy to work with (photo attached). But the slider is so smooth that you have to remember to watch the feed rate.
- The slider is even great for hard wood, which is almost all I ever use it for. But remember it only miters to the left of the blade.
- It does accept my dado blade, but you'll need to make your own insert or just do without (I do without for now)
Slider sticks out
How far does the slider stick out the front when slid all the way to the back? And can it be adjusted further backwards to make it flush, even if it means sacrificing capacity?
Is the saw a right tilt?
I'm planning to drop my current Delta contractor's saw in the wing of the slider, so I can still use my North American miter gauge and dado blade easily. I may just continue to to most of my ripping (save the really heavy cuts) on my 1HP contractor saw, so the slider protruding may be a non-issue. Oooh, I'm getting excitied!
Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you, I'm not anywhere near my shop (about 2500 miles away) but here are some pictures I've found on my computer. So, the slider sits to the left and back behind the cast iron table. It's the nature of a sliding table saw. The picture with the tape measure is the approximate crosscut capacity (or straight line rip capacity) of the sliding table.
Although you can rip wood like you normally would with an American style saw (this is what I do). There are more ways of ripping, the coolest is that you can straight line rip on the saw using the sliding table. I'm still just learning about these techniques. I've found some great videos on Youtube by searching for Felder or Felder + Sliding Table saw. Felder has posted some great videos on how to use European sliding table saws.
I wish FWW would do a segment on how to use these saws. But it's most likely a very small segment of their readers.
Ripping Shoe
Does the ripping shoe that locks onto the far end of the sliding table come with the Grizzly saw? I didn't see it in any pictures - either yours or Grizzly's.
By the way, I also found Edward's post about his saw - the guy you were in contact with before buying yours. I wrote him an e-mail asking him how he likes it and I think you know the answer. He thinks that I'd be really happy with it. Me too.
Edging shoe
It does not come with a ripping/edging shoe. I believe that the Hammer/Felder shoe will fit. I'll probably order one at some point. Have you checked out the videos from Hammer and Felder on Youtube? I'm learning a lot from those videos.
I have a couple local Felder/Hammer dealers, so I've had a good close look at their saws. I'll have to start watching and learning more about the use of a slider.
What am I missing?
The sliding saw sure looks nice, but I've never used one so I don't know what I'm missing.
I've cut up a bazillion panels on a traditional cabinet saw with wrap around out feed tables. Properly set up, it's not difficult just requires a little technique. The hardest part is getting the panel out of the rack and onto the saw. Is it easier with a sliding saw?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the sliding saws seem more specialised and less versatile. The people that have the sliders sure seem to like them.
I recently aquired a used Grizzly G1023RLX used for about $800 so I am a little biased.
I cut up a panel this morning and got something between the table and the panel and scratched it a bit. I guess that wouldn't happen with a slider?
Bret
Bret,
It's really a different method of working. If you work with a lot of sheet goods, the value is pretty straight forward, you can square panels easily with the sliding table and miter attachment (assuming the factory edge isn't good enough, you can do better). Breaking down panels is easier too. Drop the panel on the sliding table and walk it across the blade.
Where the value becomes muddied is the changes in methods of work. It's fine if you grew up using and knowing about sliders, but for us that have traditional saws, it's a learning curve. A lot of the American jigs aren't compatible, but most of them become obsolete with a slider. One jig worth mentioning is the tenoning jig, but I never liked using one anyway. However, I did just find this video on Youtube that really show off the benefits of a sliding table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL54SR0nXgM
Thanks for the input. I'll probably never own one but it;s nice to learn about them anyway
Bret
sliding
My Dad, who was a big fan of Ben Franklin, would shake his finger at us kids and say, "Neither a slider nor a slacker be." ;-)
Your comments about the learning (or, re-learning) curve are interesting. While I like the concept of sliders, I don't have enough free real estate in the shop to use one. When dealing with sheet goods, I'm forced to wait for a sunny day when I can take it outdoors, clamp a straight edge on the sheet, and use a circ saw. I'm waiting for a federal stimulus package to buy one of those fancy Festool track saws. ;-)
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