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I am looking to buy a new scroll saw, was wondering what brand and model you all have, any comments on the saw you have, any thoughts on the diffrent types, models , brands out there?? Thanks for your Help..


Take Care, Happy Woodworking.. ToolDoc


Edited 9/13/2002 11:48:49 AM ET by TOOLDOC

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WOW 20 Zillion viewers here and none has a scroll saw   LOL my oh my


             ToolDoc


Edited 9/13/2002 11:51:45 AM ET by TOOLDOC

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ToolDoc,


I have the small 16 inch Delta and it's the only one I've ever used so I can't share a lot of experiences with you and I don't use the saw much as it is. I posted earlier this week that the DeWalt is on sale at Sears for $199. A 20 inch that normally goes for about $399. Sorry I don't have more info for you. Wish I could help.


Don

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Don: Thanks, I have to check my local Sears and see if they can get a Dewalt for that price..


  Happy Woodworking... ToolDoc

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I would suggest that you jump at the low price for the 20" scroll saw.  I have one that I paid over $400 and love it.  I had the Sears industrial saw and gave it away -- $400.  I had an excellent scroll saw (can't remember the brand, but it cost $600 about 20 years ago) that my wife accidently sold -- long story!! The Dewalt is the best saw of the bunch.


Bob

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Bob: Thanks for your comments, yes I have to check with the local Sears to see if indeed they can get me a Dewalt for $199 , sure hope  so, cause I never seen any Dewalt scroll saws there only there Crapsmans..


 


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ToolDoc,


Crapsman! Ouch! I don't understand this total disregard for Craftsman that many have. Many of the tools are junk, but that's true with any brand. Check out the current thread on Delta's sharpening grinder. Does that mean everything they make is crap?


I'll tell you what, I have a PC 19.2 volt 1/2 inch drill, circular saw combo set, a makita 12 volt cordless drill, the dewalts I had aren't worth mentioning and I have a 16.8 and 18 volt craftsman cordless drill. I wish the PC and Makita had the power of the Craftsman, but more importantly, I wish their batteries had the life of the Craftsman. I use these tools everyday, and their not even close. I don't understand why others don't see, recognize and acknowledge this? The craftsman RAS in my opinion is by far the best value for the money in that class of saw. I could go on.


By the way, I can't vouch for your local store, but the stores here carry Milwaukee, PC, Makita, Jet, Delta, tlaWeD and many others.


Don

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Don: GEE Sorry to have ruffled you about the Crapsman statement, I just dont feel that the current Craftsman line of power tools is at good as they were years ago, I have a Craftsman table saw that I bought over 30 yrs ago and it runs like the day I got it, Yes your correct the Craftsman older model Radial arm saws were great, the newer ones are made by Ryobi and there not the same, same goes with there line of table saws there made by Ruobi, just seems to me when Emerson made alot of there power tools they were made a hell of a lot better..


I will now hear from all the Ryobi fans on that statement but heck I call em as i see em.. I have been to Sears and looked at there new 20 inch scroll saw, it reminded me of the Dremel, and it might just be, I have a Dremel vs scroll saw now but would like to upgrade to something a little better..


Take Care, Happy Woodworking.. ToolDoc

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ToolDoc,


The only 20 inch saw at the sears here is the DeWalt.


Is there any tool line today you feel is a good as it was xx years ago? I just replaced a 20 year old craftsman RAS that was in the shop with a new one. I'll take the new one.


To each his own huh?


Don

ToolDoc's picture

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Don: Yes I can answer that Queston..DELTA.. there as good as they were 30 yrs ago.. I dont know what state your in but here Sears only has Craftsman scroll saws in there tool dept..


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ToolDoc,


I'm in Michigan. The Dewalt's were not a normally stock saw here either. There's a big pile of them in the aisle right now though for $199. At least there was 4 or 5 days ago when I was last there. The store here usually has in stock craftsman, the small delta and Tradesman (whatever that co. is).


I guess we'll have to agree and agree to disagree. I'm with you all the way on the quality of product and personel at DeWalt. I don't agree that Delta is the same today as 30 years ago, but I'll leave it at that.


Don

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Don: I am going to check this week if my local Sears has the Dewalts..And as far as the Deltas only diffrence now is a lot of there stuff is made over seas as is most of the woodworking equipment eg Jet, Grizzly etc... Deltas new line of tools for woodworkers the  Shop Master  is made over seas, they have new scroll saws in that line also..


               ToolDoc


Edited 9/14/2002 6:19:03 PM ET by TOOLDOC

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smijal's picture

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Don,

Which Sears in Michigan?

ceyman's picture

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Who says? I have a scroll saw. Trouble is it isn't very good and I don't know much about using it. It's the type that uses pin end blades and is a frame that osscolates with the blade rotating  forward  as it descends. I need to do some pierced back splats for Chippendale  chairs. Do you think I can do them with this beast? It is the same kind I had over sixty five years ago. No improvement in technology and not much in the operator's technique. Carl

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Carl : Sounds to me like you need to retire that old scroll saw of yours and pick up a new one..Check around theres a ton of models out there, the 16 inch one you can get for around $99.00 or less..


  Happy Woodworking... ToolDoc

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RANGERP75R's picture

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TOOLDOC:


   I was hoping to see more post also. I am currently considering a new one to. I, like Don don't use it much. There is a local ( Ron Brown ) that is terrific with them. He uses a Dewalt as it is supplied by Dewalt. Bob agrees as most locally I have spoken to do. I have a Dewalt recip saw and biscuit joiner I love. Some of there tools are junk as Don mentioned. IMO..


   The reviews are good for the DW 20". Just a lot of money for a tool I don't use that often. Hopefully some more will post with more comparison.. Good Luck..


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Hi, this is my very first post to anything,hope it works. I got a dremel scroll saw for a gift a few years ago and it was ok for learning on, the leaver for adjusting the tension wore out quickly. I was at a tool show in Dallas two years ago and I bought the 26" RBI hawk. It is a wonderful saw thou quite pricey. I also bought some old delta machines from an estate and there was a delta scroll saw in with the other things. This is a large and very heavy saw, it is old. I have not used it because I like the hawk but I would like to know if I could find out anything about this saw or the delta cabinet saw, jointer,planer,shaper, these are old and in very good condition and the tag says Delta milwakee. I know that they are at least 30 yrs old.

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Bill: Go to www.workbench  magazine and post on there power tool forum and ask either Rock2Car or Delta 007, there both Delta power tool factory reps, they will give you answers about your Delta equipment..


Take Care, Happy woodworking, ToolDoc

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Sarge: I have been following a few other forums and watching there posts soo far its tied between the Dewalt and the Delta p 20, I havent seen a Delta p 20 no one near me sells them soo Im undecided yet, I have a Dremel vs scroll saw but want to upgrade to something else, but not sure what just now.. going to do more research and ill let you know what I come up with..


Take Care, Happy Woodworking... ToolDoc

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TOOLDOC:


   Thanks. I usually do quite a bit of home-work when I buy anything. You and Bob answered my questions about Dremel b-4 I had to ask. If both are you are upgrading, it's out.


   The only question I have on Delta is customer service. Have heard a few negatives this forum. You hear a lot though. I have never had to contact them so this is here-say my part. I do have a Dewalt authorized repair about 12 miles from me here Atlanta. I stopped by and they all seemed receptive. Again I have not had to use them physically as my biscuit and recip saw have preformed admirally. I have seen some junk drills, etc.


   I'll consider the jury still out and do some checking with a the Atlanta Scroll Saw Club. A lot of these people do nothing but scroll-saw work. If I catch anything worthy, will advise. When you get your info gathered, I would apprectiate you do the same.. Thanks in advance..


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SARGE: I am still doing more research on this, getting lots of good reviews on both Dewalts & Deltas p20 & Q3, yes will let you know what info I get, I would like to comment on the DREMEL VS scroll saw that I have, its not that bad of a saw for the money if your not going to use one every day it would make a nice addition to the shop Home Depot & Lowes has them for around $177.00 with the stand included.. As far as Delta service goes I havent ever had any major problems only minor things and have had very positive responce with there service dept.. I am not a very big fan of Dewalt, I own a few Dewalt power tools but have had major problems not only with there tools but also with there moronic service people..


Take Care, Happy Woodworking.... ToolDoc

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DOC:


   Have spent a good portion of day talking and looking at S/S's. I have heard Dewalt and Delta 20 all day and no negative comments on either. I seem to have gotten more replys with folks with the Dewalt. They say it was conspired with Sommerfield Canada. About the only difference in it and the Excalibur is the Dewalt is not belt driven and the price. I read that in a review in Amazon.com ? How true I don't know.


   Thanks for info on Delta C/Service. As I stated just here-say. I probaly wouldn't have a problem with Dewalt either as I can walk in and plop it on the counter. Lot of difference with face to face encounter and phone or e-mail. Ha.. Besides I'm armed and dangerous.grin>


   You probaly have a good point that the Dremel is O.K. for my needs. The one I got gets the job done. I only basically use it for inside cutting when the need arises. Don't do much fret-work, etc. Probaly got all I need. I build heavy-duty stationary cabinets for all my tools as I have the space. The extra weight cuts most of the vibration of the lighter saw.


   Let me know what you decide on and how it works when you get it. I have the luxury of patience and a don't need it in the immediate future. Some of the work I've seen done with them is sure tempting after fooling with WW 30 years though. If I see the DW at $199 as Don did, I'll write the check regardless if I need it or not.. An offer you can't refuse!!


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Sarge: I have been busy also talked and chatted with soo many people about scroll saws that I see them in my dreams.. LOL, Most people like the Dewalts tied with the Delta p20 and Delta Q3, I also learned that Delta is coming out with a whole new line of scroll saws some time in early October called the Delta Shop Master line, I want to check them out also I contacted Delta today for info on them and a catalog, This week I intend to check with Sears on the Dewalts to see if they have em for $199.00...


I have checked with some scroll saw gurus on the web who scroll every day they all like both Dewalt & Deltas soo who knows I need more info.. as Im undecided at the moment, but will keep you posted as the info filters in....


Take Care.... ToolDoc

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I have been doing tons of research on the scroll saws, sarge brought up a good point in his post saying he heard that the Dewalts might be designed as a Excalibur made in canada. I was very cursious about that and did further research and came up with conclusion that the Dewalts may very well be made for Dewalt by Excalibur in canada.. hmmm that gives the Dewalts a extra edge over the Delta P20 and Q3..


The Great Scroll Saw Debate is on...      ToolDoc

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Doc:


   Just got your e-mail. I went and used a DW today. Everything seems to be in the right place and there is no vibration I can detect. I went and used a Delta 20. Good results but it had more vibration running hard-wood thru than the Excalibur, ugh.. Dewalt.


   What I had read was commented by a professional that he had bought the Dewalt. He replaced with an Excalibur as he runs 2" and 1 1/2" hardwood through all day. He felt the DW would not hold up over a long period because it was not belt-driven. He said it was the ticket for someone that was not doing such a demanding task. He also mentioned the DW has ball bearing as opposed to the needle brg. in the Excalibur. He said he would definitely buy the DW if it were belt-driven as he liked the saw very much. That's where I picked up that DW had gone to Excalibur and had it designed and built.


   To answer your e-mail question on what I think as opposed to the Delta at this stage of our research. How far is it to the Sears store where Don lives? I'm pouring a thermos of coffee and I left the car engine running.. Hope nobody gets in my way!!! grin<>

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Ok, here's the deal. I sold a house and I'm closing this week so my checking account is draining fast for taxes, mandatory inspections and the like so I need to be careful. I know the asst. manager, Karen, at the local store. I will go there tomorrow and see what's left. I will ask here to put them away until my house closing. I haven't been there in a week when there were still 5 or 6 left. The started with about 20 stacked in boxes in the middle of the main aisle through tools. I'll let you know tomorrow what's there. Fair enough?


Don

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Don:


   I would like to get one at that price. As I told Doc, I really don't need it that bad as the one I got is sufficient for the outside cuts I currently do. But, at that price I would like to acquire one regardless. I may get heavier into the S/S in the future as I have a house full of furniture now. I build a lot of necessary furniture and donate to abused women, vets and homeless shelters.


   I have seen some really nice work with those that do the scroll-saw thing exclusivley. Would like to give it a try in the future. Don't go out of your way, but if you can get them held I would take one. I don't think they will last at that price, so you may find them gone. If so, no big deal as I expect them to have already been sold.


   I really appreciate the offer. Let me know what you find and we'll go from there..


Thanks much..


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BSzydlo's picture

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Don, just curious, was this a national sale or just Michigan?  Are there any left?  Do you have a phone number for the store?  Thanks, Bill

kenewald's picture

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Just for the record...


A few months ago I did a ton of research on scroll saws and concluded that the Sears Craftsman Craftsman 20" had some really important components I could only find on very expensive models.  I was particularly pleased with the way it feels and operates.  The $299 price tag seemed like a good compromise for a DC motor, 20" throat, and a good sold cast iron machine.


I recently (within last couple weeks) saw a SS comparison - can't remember which mag, but it put this model on top of the rest for the price/features.


This thing runs like a well-oiled sewing machine.  Sweet.


-Ken

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Ken I just posted to TOOLDOC about my new Craftsman scroll saw , by your discription I have the same one and yes it does run like a sewing machine and has a DC motor. I really like it. The more I use it the beter it feels and runs. Did yours come with a stand? A small place for tools and blades on the top and V.S. No doubt it is top shelf stuff. IMO. Have a great day. Rick.......

kenewald's picture

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Yea, that's the one.  It's a keeper.


The only thing I'd like to see is a brighter light.   My eyes don't see as well as they used to. 


Perhaps there's a better marking device than a pencil.  Any ideas?


-Ken