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How To Make Wooden Spoons Without Lathing or Carving
How To Make Wooden Spoons Without Lathing or Carving (post #161447)
SpoonDVD on Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:43
Here is a great instructional DVD available through Amazon.com that shows how to make wooden spoons in your woodshop without lathing or hand carving. It's a quick and simple process that any woodworker can follow. This DVD also has lessons on how to make wooden spatulas and wooden tongs. You can make a full set of ktichen utensils with this DVD. Visit our website for more information.
http://www.makingwoodenspoons.com/
Thanks,
Gavin
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not a place for advertising (post #161447, reply #1 of 18)
not a place for advertising your wares
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Ah, this is interesting. (post #161447, reply #2 of 18)
Ah, this is interesting.
A guy puts up a message about his new video on making spoons, and you write him a message that he isn't supposed to put advertising messages on Knots. That brings up a few VERY IMPORTANT POINTS.
1) Ron Breese (Ronaway) and before him, Philip Marcou, put up messages about their planes up on Knot for years. I never saw anyone tell them they were not supposed to do this. Ron has one up right now. His new plane is beautiful. I don't mind him putting it up. I enjoy seeing his new planes. Does Knots tread videos different than infill planes? Is this in writing? WHere is the rule that no advertising messages are allowed?
2) If there is some rule about not posting advertising messages, then what is your role in enforcing the rule. Do you work for Taunton? Or are you just trying to be a goody two shoes who tells some people they cant do this while not saying anything to others?
Very interesting. I would like to hear from Taunton about:|
1) is there a policy against advertising posts?
2) if so, why have Philip and Ron been allowed to do it for as long as I can remember?
3) If there is a policy, how is it enforced?
Mel
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
I am guessing Sid does not (post #161447, reply #7 of 18)
I am guessing Sid does not work for Tauton, and neither do you, you don't get to scold members and tell them what they can or cannot post.
As to your "observations" both Ron Brese and Philip Marcou were active participants and were glad to share their expertise on plane making FOR FREE unlike the spoon making videos. After having some private conversations with Philip, he, like many others, have ceased to post here because of your pedantic and down right dumb 5 pages diatribes.
As for the policy, given that there is no "moderator" on the forum, it is up to the members to police and get rid of those who do not wish to participate on the forum but want to take advantage of the membership. We certainly do not want ads for Viagra, penis enlargement pills (well maybe you do) or unceasing announcements about a new web site.
How is the policy enforced? That is none of your business, it is up to the owners of this site to do as they wish and they certainly do not owe you or have to give you any explanations.
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"But in too many cases we find that we are constantly dealing with what is urgent, and not with what is important. They are not the same. " David Ring on running a ww business.
Gavin, Sid Works had (post #161447, reply #5 of 18)
Gavin,
Sid Works had responded to your post about the DVD by saying that you shouldn't put advertising up in Knots. Please see my response to him. Sid Works doesn't have any standing with Taunton Press. He is just having a little fun with you. If you ever have any questions about how things work around here, please write to me. I can give you my opinion. It isn't official, but I have been around here quite a while.
One thing you might want to try when you post on forums, is to change your style of writing (advertising). As an example, go over to the Hand Tool section and see the message by Ronaway (Ron Brese) about his new plane. It doesn't say that it is an advertisement. But it is. And I love it. Ron is a great guy who does great work, and lots of woodworkers drool over his stuff. I hope he doesn't stop posting here about his work. I'd like to see him do likewise in all of the woodworking forums. His style has met with acceptance here in Knots. No reason why you can't do the same. Talk about the latest DVD you have developed, and how you developed it, and why you did some of the things you did in the dvd.
If you want any more help, write me a personal message, and I'll be happy to help you out. By the way, I guess you could call this message an "advertisement" since it is telling you about a service I can do for you. Of course, there is no charge for my service, but so what?
Have fun.
Mel
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
Whether or not advertising is (post #161447, reply #6 of 18)
Whether or not advertising is appropriate, duplicate posting seems unnecessary. Same original post in Jigs section. How about deleting one.
Hey Gavin, here is a great (post #161447, reply #8 of 18)
Hey Gavin, here is a great site for you to sell your video.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/burl
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"But in too many cases we find that we are constantly dealing with what is urgent, and not with what is important. They are not the same. " David Ring on running a ww business.
Don, I like the idea of (post #161447, reply #9 of 18)
Don,
I like the idea of duplicate postings. I have been on Knots for years and have never even looked in the jigs section, so I am glad he posted it here too. Electrons are cheap. Multiple postings help insure more people find it.
Think about the city library. You can find a book by looking up the author, the title, etc. These are "duplicate" postings????? Naw. They are merely a service to the community, to help ease the search.
Have fun.
Mel
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
All members of Knots have (post #161447, reply #10 of 18)
All members of Knots have agreed to the sites user agreement policy. Regarding commercial advertising, the agreement is as follows:
3. No-Commercialization Policy.
You agree to use the Sites, Discussions and Fee-Based Services only in a noncommercial manner and in compliance with Taunton Interactive, Inc.'s No-Commercialization Policy. You specifically agree not to post, transmit or otherwise distribute to the Sites (including without limitation any Forum) any material containing any solicitation of funds, advertising or solicitation for goods or services. We encourage you to report any apparent violation to us by email: customerservice@taunton.com.
SpoonDVD produces e books and videos, the spoon guy DVD is one of them. The link is advertising and SpoonDVD is likely to profit from the sales. It's clearly a violation of an agreement he said he read and aggreed to follow. Anyone else doing the same thing is also in violation. It's known as SPAM and, no thanks, we don't want it here. Advertise in the appropriate places.
http://www.taunton.com/thetauntonpress/agreement.asp
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Hammer, So what about the (post #161447, reply #11 of 18)
Hammer,
So what about the posts by old time Knot members like Philip Marcou and Ron Brese. They often talk about their latest plane. I really like that. However, there is NO DOUBT that they are looking for customers. That is not a bad thing. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO TRY TO STOP RON OR PHILIP FROM POSTING ABOUT THEIR PLANES! That paragraph you posted about a "Knots Policy" has never been enforced with regard to Philip or Ron. And that is good. I suggest rewriting or eliminating the policy that is not enforced.
THere was a time when Gina tried to be a policewoman and an enforcer about folks getting "nasty". She really tried. I believe that every time she threw someone off for a few months, Knots lost support. I believe that was a part of the big exodus. Gina stopped enforcing. I didn't notice things getting better when she was enforcing, just worse.
There are forums which focus on enforcement of policies, and others which just exist. The Burl does no policing and it is vibrant and exciting. On Knots there are so few people posting, that to start enforcing rules might just end up with even fewer people here.
Sometimes instead of blindly enforcing policies which are out of date is just a stupid thing to do. It is better to actually THINK. Maybe the best policy is to let the forum go on without any policing.
Unlike you, I want Ron Brese and Philip Marcou to post about their latest planes. I want to hear from Larry about what is happening in his company.
Mel
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
Yeah right.... (post #161447, reply #12 of 18)
Once again, I visited today after seeing this post, same old boring threads, with the same disgruntled people. GIve it a rest, it ain't as "vibrant" as you say. As was posted in another thread, you apparently have moved on, but you keep comming back to leave your brown spot.
Oh, and by the way, by now you should be aware that Tauton does not really pay attention to your "suggestions", maybe YOU should think before you post.
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"But in too many cases we find that we are constantly dealing with what is urgent, and not with what is important. They are not the same. " David Ring on running a ww business.
Mel, It's pretty simple, (post #161447, reply #13 of 18)
Mel, It's pretty simple, everyone on here checked the box that said they read and acepted the users agreement. Either you keep your word or you don't. It's called honor. You didn't have a box to check that said you'd abide when it suited you or because you can get away with it. I never said I didn't want anyone showing their work, just no SPAM.
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Hammer, We just see things (post #161447, reply #14 of 18)
Hammer,
We just see things differently. I think what you say is true but essentially not relevant in the current situation. The current situation at Knots is that participation is at a LOW. Participation is so low that it is untenable. This place will either get new members or it will just fail for lack of interest.
My suggestion, and I am not kidding around, is that if Knots is to survive, it must find a way to bring in new membership and to increase participation by existing members.
This is the absloutely wrong time to take someone who is new to Knots and jump all over him because he broke a rule that is never enforced, and which is downright silly.
What he wrote was not spam. It was an advertisement. More obviously, it was an OBVIOUS advertisement. When Ron Brese posts his latest plane, it is a "subliminal advertisemsnt". It is more subtle, but it is just as much of an advertisement as the OP made. Which is worse? I am not bothered by either. Neither does me any harm.
INDEED, both the post by the OP and the posts by Ron Brese are quite useful to me. Ron is a very good plane designer and builder, and I learn from his posts. I want to see him continue to advertise (opps, I meant "post") here. The OP has a VERY interesting DVD for sale. This is great news for woodworkers who want to make a few bucks at local craft shows. The DVD shows how to make cooking utensils easily and quickly. I would suggest that lots of woodworkers buy that DVD.
You know, "selling" is pervasive in our culture. Everybody is always selling something. FWW is ALWAYS sending emails selling some book or DVD. No problem. It is good to know what they have put together. It is easy to scan those emails and delete them. Actually, I often buy what they are selling.
It gets pretty difficult to say what exactly is advertising and what is not. Take Derek Cohen, for example. He gets planes from Lee Valley, and then writes positive reviews of them. If you don't believe me, go to his website, and check how many of his reviews are about Lee Valley planes and which are about other brands. Now try to find a negative review by Derek of a Lee Valley plane.
What Derek is doing is out and out advertising.
And I think it is just fine. I enjoy reading his posts. I know his biases, and I am mature enough to take that into consideration when reading what he writes. He is an excellent writer. Next to Rob Cosman, he may well be the greatest salesman in the field of woodworking today. He is intelligent, witty, clever, thorough, and graphic.
I want to see his advertisements continue here. I am a big fan of Lee Valley. Indeed, you could consider my post as an advdrtisement for Lee Valley.
So are you going to stop Ron Brese from posting about his planes?
Are you going to stop Philip Marcou from posting about his planes (that is, if he ever returns)?
Are you going to stop Derek Cohen's wonderful ads for Lee Valley?
I certainly hope not. The things I have mentioned are among the most interesting on Knots, even though they are advertisements. And those guys signed the agreement you referred to.
Life is much more difficult when you look at it closely. Sometimes it is good to step back, and instead of enforcing rules, it is good to weed out silly and useless ruled, as you rethink your goals. The goals of FWW for Knots should not, at this time, be to get rid of people who are advertising, but to draw in new people.
Why don't we focus on that? I'd support a new thread on how to bring new life into Knots?
I do hope you see that I am trying to be supportive of Knots, which is in its darkest moments right now. Let's do triage. Let's fix the BIG PROBLEMS and not even thing of the ones that are so small and irrelevent that although they are real, they are of negative value. The rules have do change when one goes from normal medicine to triage. NOW IS THE TIME FOR TRIAGE.
Help me make Knots what it used to be, before it got into throwing people out for writing posts that it didn't like. I know a number of folks who were given a "time out". The ones that I know are good and interesting folks.
Last week, Hosni Mubarek was focussing on discipline and on keeping people in line. Now Hosni is gone (along with a few billion dollars). Maybe he should have focussed on supporting his folks instead of enforcing rules that no longer make sense.
Come on, let's work together, and get others involved in making KNots a success again!
And we aren't going to do that by enforcing useless rules. We can only do that by making Knots a place that lots more people want to participate in.
Thanks,
Mel
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
FWW (post #161447, reply #15 of 18)
is in the business of selling advertisement. this theiir site. those advertisers spend good money to reach their audience;. now if those adv all come here and can adv for free. why should they pay FWW for other spots . then Fww does not generate enough revenue to operate. guess what happens next?
we get a larger brown stain
The Burl cannot survive without advertisers at their site and I bet you that it is observed for whatever is being listed for free
ron
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Ron, You missed the (post #161447, reply #16 of 18)
Ron,
You missed the point.
If a forum is having a near-death experience, as Knots is, it is time to change priorities, and focus on staying alive. Do a search on "Abraham Maslow's heirarchy of needs". What you should focus on depends on your current situation. If your business is bringing in $1.5 Million a year in profit, you should consider an organized approach to making charitible donations. If your business is not making enought to pay for itself, you should forget about charitable donations until business improves. If you are in an accident and you have a sucking chest wound, you need not worry about the fact that your hair is messed up. Take care of your most pressing needs first. Knots' biggest need is to stay alive. There are very few posters here, and the few threads that have generated any interest at all are not on woodworking, but on topics like this. KNOT IS IN A BAD STATE. It is on life support. Now is no time for Knots to be concerned about someone posting an ad.
To tell someone who makes a post that they wrongfully included advertising is to shoo away another potential good member of Knots. Let's hook the fish before we light the fire to cook it with.
You also missed my point about posts by folks like Ron Brese. His posts are advertisements. Surely you don't want to stop him from posting, do you?
So do you want someone like GIna to have to read posts and see which should be deleted every day. Of course, given that there are almost no posts, it wouldn't take her very long.
And there is another point - FWW just doesn't seem to care whether people are going along with their rules and regulations. They didn't respond to the OP here. They didn't tell Ron not to post. They don't seem to pay any attention at all to Knots. Have you noticed that? What makes you think that Taunton really cares enough about Knots to even pay attention to what is going on? When is the last time Jason Rezvon showed up here in Knots? As I remember, it was in his famous message of a few years ago, when he essentially told Knots members that they could shut the door behind them. I believe that message was the single biggest event that caused the demise of Knots.
Mel
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didn't miss any points (post #161447, reply #17 of 18)
here is a guy who spent his lifetime working in a government facility telling the world how to run a businesss
ron
I don't really see that many eciting posts at the Burl
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" here is a guy who spent his (post #161447, reply #18 of 18)
" here is a guy who spent his lifetime working in a government facility telling the world how to run a businesss"
LOL..yeah, and a support guy at that, I bet he was not one of the rocket scientist. Given the size of his posts I bet he was a low level administrator who spent most of his time writing memos no body read.
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"But in too many cases we find that we are constantly dealing with what is urgent, and not with what is important. They are not the same. " David Ring on running a ww business.