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35mm Hinge installation

CA_Viper's picture

I'm trying to complete my first piece. It's a buffet that has 4 raised panel doors that cover drawers. I chose some Salice 165° 35mm hinges with 18mm plates so that I can mount the doors inset. I need to know how far from the edge of the door to drill my 35mm holes. I plan on having 1/32 gap between the case and the door on all four sides. A search on the web was unsucessful.


Thanx,

SgianDubh's picture

(post #82310, reply #1 of 8)

27.5 mm. Rockler (for example-- www.rockler.com or something like that) sell jigs and bits for boring the necessary holes with repeatable accuracy. Slainte, RJ.

Timberwerks's picture

(post #82310, reply #2 of 8)

I dont know if this is what your looking for , but the edge of the 35mm hole to the edge of the door is 2.5mm. I mainly use Blum and Mepla hinges , this is a common distance  between the two. I have also used Hettich with this same 2.5mm gap.


Hope this helps


Dale

DJOFurnituremaker 木材場 

DaveHeinlein's picture

(post #82310, reply #3 of 8)

Generally, no more than 3/16(depending on application) and never less than 1/8. In your case, most likely 1/8".

awilson65's picture

(post #82310, reply #4 of 8)

You need to look at the technical info for that hinge (it should be available on their website, or your distributor will definitely have)....thickness of the door and the degree of opening of the hinge are both factors, and you have to pay attention. I don't use Salice, but for Blum you choose a drilling distance of from 3 to 6 mm (that's the meat left at the edge after the hole is bored), depending on the variables. I wouldn't be boring any holes unless I had the chart in front of me.

cabinetmaker/college instructor. Cape Breton, N.S

cabinetmaker/college woodworking instructor. Cape Breton, N.S

DaveHeinlein's picture

(post #82310, reply #8 of 8)

You want an *inset* application with a 1/32" reveal.

The best way is to set up a hinge situation with two pieces of scrap. That's the tue test.

Lilshaver's picture

(post #82310, reply #5 of 8)

Two ways to do this:

1. Keep asking others, spend a lot of time researching and reading charts, ask the manufacturer (use email--get an answer in a couple of days). Now you've found the answer, but before you drill into those carefully made doors, first drill a piece of scrap plywood and try the fit. (better to be safe than sorry) (I know this from experience)

2. Take a piece of scrap ply, eyeball the hinge, drill a hole, try it, adjust the hole location as necessary. You're done.

PS: This applies to a whole load of other operations as well.

nigelUsa's picture

(post #82310, reply #6 of 8)

Go to HD and buy the cheapest Millspride door kitchen cab door.


Install your 35 mm bit in the pillar drill.


Place the Millspride door on the drill table.


Lower the 35mm bit into the existing 35mm hole.


Clamp a fence to the drill table.


Note the hole depth. Remove the Millspride door. Mark the center line using a square and the point of the 35mm bit on the fence.


Layout the doors for the 35mm hole centers.


Lay the door on the drill table and line up the mark on the fence and drill to the noted depth.


Install the hinges with the plates and offer up to the cabinet. Mark the hinge holes and mount the hinge plates.


On very large or wide doors I sometimes make a 4" wide plywood strip with the same hole centers to locate the hinge plates.

gweisenburge's picture

(post #82310, reply #7 of 8)

The  Salice Series 200, 165° hinge will allow the 1/32-inch gap between your inset door and the face frame. The other hinges, with smaller opening angles, will not - they require a 1/8-inch or 3mm gap.


Salice, like other Euro hinges, use a formula to calculate plate height, drilling distance, and gap or overlay. If you're using an 18mm plate then you must be using a full or 18mm overlay type hinge, perhaps a C2RFA99,  self-closing, with knock-in, nylon dowels. When calculating the the drilling distance, measured from the edge of the 35mm hinge cup hole to the edge of the door, I think its best to convert to metric. Your 1/32-inch gap equals about .8mm. The formula is:


H=15+K-(D)


where H is the height of the plate, K is the drilling distance, and D is the overlay, and remember that your overlay is -.8mm. So, using your hinge and plate, the formula is:


17.8=15+2.2-(-.8)


Therefore the drilling distance = 2.2mm. I'd drill it to my the standard I setup on my machine, or 3-mm, and adjust the door away from the face frame.


I'd have chosen an inset hinge, perhaps a C27FP99, a self-closing "Rapido" and mounted it on a 3mm plate and I'd set my machine to drill for a 4- or 4.2mm drilling distance. The formula is different for inset hinges:


H=-2+K+A


where A is the gap or reveal between door and face frame. It'd workout as


3=-2+4.2+.8


Hope this isn't too complicated. If it is, I'll email you Salice's chart on the Series 200 hinge.


Gary