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alias's picture

fuming pine (post #108920)

i was talking to a customer today and she wants me to build a standing work table with 6" tapered legs, but she wants to have

almost and this is a quote "stickley like finish, kinda amber like". so i was wondering how knotty pine takes a fumed finish?? to get an"amber-like"finish, will i have to use it in conjunction with linseed oil or tung oil... thanks cheers...bear

mike4244's picture

(post #108920, reply #1 of 21)

Try amber shellac, also known as orange shellac. If brushing , cut the shellac to a


1 1/2 lb. cut. Apply as many coats as neccesary to achieve desired finish. Usually 3 or 4 coats is enough.Sand lightly with 320 grit between coats. I have never fumed anything, I thought that oak was the only wood that could be fumed. I suggest that you may get better answers on a finishing NG.

alias's picture

(post #108920, reply #2 of 21)

mike pardon me what is a finishing NG...? thanks for the suggestion about the shellac...bear

forestgirl's picture

(post #108920, reply #3 of 21)

What makes fuming work is the interaction of the ammonia with the tannins in the wood.  Oak has high levels of tannins, pine does not.

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

forestgirl's picture

(post #108920, reply #4 of 21)

Hope your client isn't expecting the flecks (rays) she sees in oak!  Is she just hankerin' after the overall tone of fumed oak?  I'd want to be absolutely sure she knows what she's getting before finishing the piece.

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

alias's picture

(post #108920, reply #5 of 21)

hey pal - hope you hollerdazes we're better than ok, yeah we talked about that , there going to be alot of samples i thinks.... the general richness is what we're shooting for. this piece is to go into existing serious country kitchen kinda motif with all the bells and whistles. kinda like a english country ashbourne antique pine look( jeez i'm running out of adjectives). but from what i'm learning here. between orange shellac, strong black tea, etc . i might be trying some alternatives. here's another thought, buying some tannic acid( really the ultimate strong tea) dilute it spray it down, sand it . fume it, than orange shellac it. i really want to give this fuming thing ago... after all it all about the unknown is'nt.... cheers pal best to all


Edited 1/9/2003 11:06:43 PM ET by the bear

forestgirl's picture

(post #108920, reply #6 of 21)

"english country ashbourne antique pine look" ---   hmmmmmm, that might fit on the big cans, but not on the small ones.  HaHa.  Let us know how it goes!


PS:  did you fly this flag over in Jeff Jewitt's site?  I'd love to know what kind of ideas you get there.


forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

alias's picture

(post #108920, reply #7 of 21)

du i du a search on jeff jewitt? i'm half asleep ( no kidding) off to work ya know it's a good thing when you look forward to going to work....have a good day bud

NickHicks's picture

(post #108920, reply #8 of 21)

Hi,


 


Jeff's site is http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/


You'll only get good advice there - but also here as well  ;-)


Regards,


Nick

forestgirl's picture

(post #108920, reply #9 of 21)

Yikes -- my West Coast time-stamp has your post listed at 3:15 am!  I don't recognize that kind of number!


Someone on the East Coast or thereabouts beat me to posting the link.  Be sure and check out his forum -- he's good at getting back to people.


forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

NickHicks's picture

(post #108920, reply #12 of 21)

Hi,


 


The East Coast was right, wrong country though - all the way from Oz (Australia).


 


Regards,


Nick

forestgirl's picture

(post #108920, reply #13 of 21)

So, what's the time difference between you and US West Coast?  I used to have a "World Clocks" thing to refer to, but haven't moved it to the new computer yet.


forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

NickHicks's picture

(post #108920, reply #14 of 21)

Hi,


Not sure of the difference - we are GMT +10 hours (actually 11 at the moment with daylight savings time).  If you know what your offset is for GMT (-6 maybe) you could work it out.  I noted the forestgirl tag - our forests are on fire here at the moment.


Happy weekend,


Nick

forestgirl's picture

(post #108920, reply #15 of 21)

Hi Nick, very sorry to hear about the forest fires.  I've been watching a bit of tennis lately and saw last night that one of the reasons they closed the roof at the Rod Lever (sp?) stadium was because of the smoke.  It look pretty bad.


Great tennis though!  I'm not normally a fan, but the match between Clister (sp? again) and Serena was edge-of-the-seat, and I'm looking forward to watching Agassi and the German (won't even try to spell his name).  Agassi gives us old folk a morale boost!  Between him and 40-year-old Jerry Rice being in the Super Bowl, we're kickin' a$$.


forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

jgaiennie's picture

(post #108920, reply #10 of 21)

Bear,


Have you seen the thread and photos of the pine table in the gallery section that the maker (John) colored with nitric acid.  You may want to check that out.


jdg


Edited 1/11/2003 11:44:11 AM ET by jdg

alias's picture

(post #108920, reply #11 of 21)

i'd like to thank all of you for your help/advice/ directions. this is an awesome resource, but really makes it are the inhabitants. may the new year be a healthy ,SAFE, and a happy new year. for all you.... thanks again.....bear


Edited 1/11/2003 7:12:46 PM ET by the bear

Dennis02's picture

(post #108920, reply #19 of 21)

Nitric acid?

OOOoooohhhhh .... gnarly stuff. I'd take up small engine repair before messing with nitric acid! (grin)




...........

Dennis in Bellevue WA

woodnut@anatechsys.com

........... From Beautiful Skagit Co. Wa. Dennis
jgaiennie's picture

(post #108920, reply #20 of 21)

Wussie!  What's the matter?  You like the skin on your knuckles?


 

Dennis02's picture

(post #108920, reply #21 of 21)

Yeah!

I hear they use nitric acid to etch glass. I suspect it will do more than that to your skin .... and anything else it gets on! (grin)




...........

Dennis in Bellevue WA

woodnut@anatechsys.com

........... From Beautiful Skagit Co. Wa. Dennis
forestgirl's picture

(post #108920, reply #16 of 21)

Just go my (shhhhhhhh, Wood) magazine this week, and they have a whole article on finishing pine.  Might be too little too late, but thought I'd drop a line here.

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

alias's picture

(post #108920, reply #17 of 21)

thanks.<(whisper.whisper) i just finished the bottom half this week have pictures but scanner(hp psc 950 all in one ) is set so high it chews up alot of memory i'll try to post. to put the work to the name, thanks much wood nymph for remembering...... your pal bear

alias's picture

(post #108920, reply #18 of 21)

try this, just finished the drawer outlined with 7/8 half round, and the 5/4 by 6 shelf on the bottom with 2 1/8 space 9 of those and a 4/4 half round recessed 3/16 under the apron. the drawer slides and table top on monday and tuesday..... thanks again budd .....slainte

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Edited 1/25/2003 2:49:01 PM ET by the bear