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Best finish for a dark stained pine trestle table
Best finish for a dark stained pine trestle table (post #169403)
EricLawson on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 10:34
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Hi,
I am refinishing a pine trestle table. Prep is done and I want to start staining. I was intending to use a 2:1 mix of General Finishes Empire Red (water based dye) to General Finishes Espresso (water based pigment). My question is what top coat / finish to use. This table will have very heavy use (3 times a day, plus homework, etc). I would like something durable, easy to apply and won't add any yellow/amber. Thanks for your help.
Eric
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First, lets modify your stain (post #169403, reply #1 of 4)
First, lets modify your stain schedule since pine is a very blotch prone wood. I would not use the GF dye stain. It isn't a dye exactly since it contains a water borne binder tinted with stain. This makes it much or difficult to avoid blotch, and the binder doesn't give much time for work. I would instead use a powdered watersoluble dye, such as one from W.D.Lockwood or TransFast (not TransTint.) Applied by flooding on with a sponge it penetrates more evenly and can be tweaked until you get what you want. You choose the darkness by how concentratedly you mix the dye with distilled water.
Then the dye can be sealed by a blonde dewaxed shellac. This will be color stable, and the sealing will prevent pigment stain from blotching. Personally, I would suggest using an oil based pigmented stain. Waterborne stain dries so fast that you have to be really fast, or better a two person team, to get it applied, and then wiped off evenly. Oil based pigmented stain gives you enough time to apply it and then wipe it off evenly.
The multistep program will give a much more interesting finish than just mixing the two stains together. Done with the red first followed by the dark brown you will get red highlights shining through the brown, not just a red brown color.
I would use a light colored oil based varnish such as Pratt and Lambert 38. This will provide a very durable finish able to hold up well to use and to frequent cleaning. You can thin with mineral spirits to make into a wiping varnish if you like. It is much lighter than many other varnishes, and compared to the other choices polyurethane varnishes and Waterlox varnish, will yellow less over time. Acyrlic waterborne finishes yellow very little, but are not as resistant to household cleaners that might be used on a kitchen table.
Test your finish on scrap, FIRST, or risk having to scrap your finish.
A couple of follow up questions (post #169403, reply #2 of 4)
Thank you...A couple of follow-up questions. I am having some trouble finding either of those Aniline dye brands in Canada...But Lee Valley is close and they offer Aniline Powder dyes, so I will likely try those. Thoughts. Also, I will be doing this over the next couple of weeks in an unheated garage. Can you suggest (not recommend) some drying times for the steps. As you note, it is dye red first, seal with dewaxed shellac, Oil based dark pigment stain, then varnish ( I will take your advice and dilute to a rubbing varnish) or Acrylic waterborne (I am undecided and will likely try both on a scrap to see what I like better).
A couple of follow up questions (post #169403, reply #3 of 4)
Thank you...A couple of follow-up questions. I am having some trouble finding either of those Aniline dye brands in Canada...But Lee Valley is close and they offer Aniline Powder dyes, so I will likely try those. Thoughts. Also, I will be doing this over the next couple of weeks in an unheated garage. Can you suggest (not recommend) some drying times for the steps. As you note, it is dye red first, seal with dewaxed shellac, Oil based dark pigment stain, then varnish ( I will take your advice and dilute to a rubbing varnish) or Acrylic waterborne (I am undecided and will likely try both on a scrap to see what I like better).
The powdered dyes offered by (post #169403, reply #4 of 4)
The powdered dyes offered by Lee Valley are made by W.D.Lockwood so that will be fine. The dye will dry as fast as water evaporates and will be ok in cool temperatures. (I assume we are still well above freezing.) Neither is dewaxed shellac very temperature sensitive. Oil based stain will cure somewhat slower in cooler temperatures as will oil based varnish--I'd double the label dry time. The waterborne acyrlic (or the water based stains) will not work satisfactorily at all below about 50°F. Unless you can get above 55° or so then you can't use these finishes.
Test your finish on scrap, FIRST, or risk having to scrap your finish.