*Check out the Jet contractors with the cast iron extension wing or Delta platinum contractors choice of Biesmeyer or Unifence
*There is a review of contractors saws from a fww article on this site-- in the tools section, i think. i found it very helpful.
*David,FWIW, I purchased a Tradesman 8000T about 4 years ago. It is a 10" contractor saw made in the same factory as the Delta. It is identical to the Delta with the following differences; Dark red in color, cast iron extension wings (not stamped steel), and came with the old style Uni-fence. I paid $429.00. I did put a commercial 50" Biesemeyer fence on it, the TS was dead on out of the box, and has not needed realignment since, passed the nickel test with ease. Now that I have a Power Twist belt, I can stand a penny on edge, no kidding.Dano
*Dave,You might be thinking of their 10" bench top saw, it comes with a T style fence as I recall. I got mine from an outfit called "Supply One" here in Klamath Falls, Or. They are now called "Diamond Home and Hardware". The Tradesman web address is: http://www.tradesman-rexon.com/ and their toll free number is 1-800-243-5114. You should be able to get the name of the dealer closest to you. Also Grizzly sells the exact same saw, Model #G1022Z, the only differences are the color, doesn't have the flip down casters, it comes with a 30T carbide blade instead of the 24T that Tradesman gives you, and it has a cheaper mitre gauge. I see that the Grizzly is now on sale for $415 plus $68 shipping.Dano
Just bought this model saw (used) and I really like it. The problem I have is the blade guard and how it bolts onto the saw--seems to be missing something. Any help or pics or manuals? I am in the KFalls area also. I use this to make bee hive woodware. Please and thank you. Sam
*What do you guys think about the DeWalt 746X? It's gotten some great reviews but is kind of pricy ($899). Worth it for a novice woodworker who wants to grow into it? It's suppsed to have a pretty good fence and be fairly easy to adjust so I was thinking it might be worth it. The thing is, I can get two of several of the other saws for the same price... Help!
*I think the price point is out of line on that saw. I'd move up to a full-blown cabinet saw (Jet, Delta) for a few hundred more.
*PaulI have had the 746 for about a year now and am very satisfied with it. Woodworking is a hobby for me, so it is all the saw I will ever need. Yes, I do thing it is on the expensive side, but I had some space issues to deal with and the dewalt footprint fit the bill, plus my sales guy at woodcraft gave me all the extras(mobile base,extra blade,dado insert etc.) that made the price a little easier to swallow. I live in Indy and that store closed, so I got an outfeed table and the sliding table for $180.00. Not a bad deal there. Also very easy to set up and everything checked out/lined up great. I will miss that store though-nice folks.Rocky
*I have the dewalt 746k, and I am impressed with its opperation. The sliding table is beautiful, the fence works great but should be two sided. All the bolts are real metal not the plastic soft crap most supply. Delta for one. The supplied blade cuts as good as any I have used. The dust collection works fairly well but a short length of vac pipe to an adaptor for the dust collector is needed. 1/2" corian is just right to make inserts. The fence is the same at 0 through 45 degrees. Setup and assembly took about 4 hours. Change it to 250 volt if possible or use large cable to supply the saw. Change the spliter nuts for wing nuts, makes it quick and easy to reinstall. Be gentle tighting the locking knobs as they can be tough to undo. Check out woodcraft as they give you 12 months to return what they sell.
*This is a great topic for me as I am right now in the market for a new table saw. I am looking to upgrade (at last) my contractor saw to a cabinet saw. I have been agonizing over this decision, as I know that the purchase of a cabinet saw is expensive and is a decision that should cover me for years to come.I have read several tool reviews, and many of them have given the DeWalt 746K all kinds of kudos, while others have cut it down to size. I thought I was all set and ready to purchase a Unisaw. But lately I have been hearing such positive things about the DeWalt hybrid saw from the most important reviewers around -- those who own the saw. Some say the DeWalt is expensive (even unnecessarily so). But then again, the whole setup is about $1,450 for a DeWalt (with the table extensions, sliding table, their best miter gauge, and 52" fence), whereas the Unisaw is about $1,500 just for an entry-level model. To get a Delta with the sliding table and extensions, you're talking more like $2,000. If the DeWalt performs close to the Unisaw, then it is a better buy. Most owner-reviewers have owned the saw for a while and can discuss its longer-term use, but at the same time most owner-users have only had a chance to use either one saw or the other. On the other hand, magazine reviews include data on both saws, but magazines don't often cover extended use (at least a few months of regular sawing).So, how do we assess how both of these saws REALLY compare? Is there anyone out there who has experience with BOTH saws and can summarize the strengths and weaknesses of each one? Just on a gut level, I like the solid feel of the DeWalt saw, but at the same time, I'm uncomfortable neglecting the Unisaw -- it's such a standard name that I feel like I'd be crazy to consider anything else in that general price range. (You can see I'm having a difficult time with this decision.)I was told by a local saw shop that Delta under-rates the horsepower of their motors, so a 3HP really yields something like 5HP; and that DeWalt over-rates theirs, so a 1.75HP is really 1.5HP. I don't know whether this is true or not.Help me (and others) reach a conclusion on this difficult choice.Or maybe there are people out there who don't feel it's a difficult choice at all -- that it's a clear decision to go with one or the other.Let me know!!Thanks...
*First, it is real simple, the price reflects the proportional difference in capability. You just need to decide how much you want to spend.Second, you are making this too hardThird, Delta 3hp motors are NOT 5hp, Dewalt 1.75hp motors are NOT 1.5hp. There are several things that make up the cutting power capability of a saw but at this simple level, believe what the spec sheets say about these motors.The Dewalt is a good machine, so is the Unisaw. The Dewalt with a sliding table is an even better machine but the so is a delta (as you apparently already understand). There are several meaningful differences between the two (base) machines; in short, the Unisaw has better controls, more power, better rip fence, greater accuracy, and in general is nicer to use.One way to look at this is: you already have a contractor saw, the Dewalt is better but overall it's a relatively small step up from what you have. I tend to think that when one does an upgrade to make it worthwhile you need to make a change that will have a significant noticeable difference. At this level you might also consider if you want this to be your last machine, due to the power issue, the Dewalt may not fit that description (for you).I definitely recommend a sliding table which ever way you go, with a sliding table you can probably get by with a 32" rip fence so there can be some savings for you.I have a "selecting a tablesaw" article on my web site if you are interested.PMBhttp://benchmark.20m.com
*Thanks Phil.You put forth a very logical point. When comparing to my contractor saw, my instincts do tell me that the Delta marks the "real" upgrade to the highest level, whereas the DeWalt is a kind of "mini" upgrade -- Better than what I have now but likely to need replacement at some point in the relatively near future. The reason I get held up is because DeWalt seems to have done their homework and developed a saw that really makes you feel you are getting "almost" a contractor saw for less money.You got me pinned on one thing: I am making this decision too hard!! I admit it. I have the same problem when hired to do a project for someone -- I tend to plan and plan and work out details again and again on paper before making a move. This can be a strength and a weakness at the same time.Thanks for your information about horse-power ratings. I am not up on my electrical facts, so when someone explains HP ratings I tend to need further details. The person who explained the HP ratings to me owns a Delta shop, and he has a decidedly negative attitude toward DeWalt (and not just their table saw) so there was probably quite a bit of bias there.
*HP rating!! there's a twisted, misleading, poor guide to performance. You have to look at the amp useage on the motor plate. Volts X amps = power in watts. compare the watts. The dewalt 15a @ 120v, or 7.5 @ 240v. or 1.75hp. Strange how my shop vac says "6.25 hp" on it! that would be 53amps @ 120v.
*I considered the DeWalt hybrid also. One reason is that the overall footprint is smaller than that of a contractor style saw, which is important in a small shop. It is interesting to note that because the motor is inside the cabinet on both cabinet and DeWalt's hybrid saw, the required floor space is smaller. Contractor style saws hang the motor off of the back, behind teh table.The $899 price of the DeWalt is attractive, but the accessories will eat you alive. This is why I decided against it. I think if you are willing to spend the money on the DeWalt, and some of the accessories, you might as well spend a little more and buy a Jet or Delta cabinet saw, which are good buys.For less money, the Jet contractor style saw is a good buy. It may even be better than the Delta Also, the Rigid from Home Depot is certainly worth considering. I have friends with the Jet and Rigid saws and each of them like them, although they are not in the league of a good cabinet saw.Make sure you have enough power service to your shop for whatever saw you decide on. Limited power was one friend of mine's primary deciding factors. It eliminated many of the good choices. If you are going to bring in power, it is always cheaper to bring more in up front than to have to upgrade later.Mike
*David, Ridgid tablesaws are build by Emerson Tool. ;-) http://www.ridgid.comDave
*David,Let us know how it works out when the saw arrives. The one you bought is the one I bought, and I experienced unending quality-control problems -- broken hardware, missing hardware, more broken hardware, etc. That was about a year ago. It would be very nice to hear that Jet has improved itself.
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