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9 Piece Set of Marples Bench Chiesels Made Sheffield England Tool Steel Nice
9 Piece Set of Marples Bench Chiesels Made Sheffield England Tool Steel Nice (post #148026)
damschrs on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 18:59
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I have a really nice set of what I believe are the old style 'real' tool steel english made chiesels from Marples. They are in a custom made box (see pics) and all appear to have been either lightly used, or not at all. They are gorgeous but I don't need them. I have a set of LN bevel chiesels. I picked these up when I found them at a sale.
I honestly don't know their value, but I believe that is is far above current chiesels, as I do believe that the quality here is much higher. On the par of LN or Sorby.
The sizes are 1/4" to 2" in nine sizes.
Can anyone give me any info on them, their value as a set, etc?
They also are for sale and I'll accept reasonable offers, however, lowball offers won't even be answered or responded to. Serious buyers only. Thanks so much.
scottd.
Big Ransom Studio
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A craftsman needs three things: Accuracy, technique, and quality. Accuracy can be set; technique can be learned; but quality must be bought and built.
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I do believe personally sir.. (post #148026, reply #1 of 17)
I do believe personally sir.. that those are not Marples bench chisels but a complete set of Marples mortise chisels which are worth much more than bench chisels.. Take a good look at the handles.. tang and notice the straight sides in lieu of bevel as on bench chisels. Looks as if they were made to take some pounding with a mallet IMO. ha.. ha...
No clue as to the value now but you might call Highland Hardware in Atlanta and see if any of the old guys are still around in technical. I do believe they sold them at one time back in the late 70's or early 80's if I am not mistaken as I think I remember seeing them in their store then. I paid around $22-$24 for a set of 5 old Marples blue beater bench chisels in 1974-1978 as I can't recall exactly but those are worth more now as a collector item IMO. Also.. post the pictures over in hand tools as few come into classified to look if they don't need anything...
Good luck...
Sarge..
Woodworkers' Guild of Georgia
Actually Sarge, they're (post #148026, reply #2 of 17)
Actually Sarge, they're firmer chisels. They are not as delicate as bevelled edged chisels nor as stout as mortise chisels. They are general purpose chisels designed to be used for anything from paring to light morticing.
The fact that they are marked both in both Imperial measure and metric tells me they are no more than about forty or maybe fifty years old.
I have no idea of their value as I'm not a tool collector, just a tool user. Slainte.
richardjonesfurniture.com
Thanks Richard as that makes (post #148026, reply #3 of 17)
Thanks Richard as that makes sense... The bevel did not look as long as my old Crown mortice chisels so I did have some doubt. The handles and tang are beefed somewhat for use with a mallet but again.. the lenght fo the bevel did seem a bit too short compared to what I have seen in Crowns.. Barr.. etc.. Firmers just makes sense as I have personally never seen a set of Marples as such.
Thanks again and hope the rains in England did not affect you too bad....
Sarge..
Woodworkers' Guild of Georgia
Richard , I was about to (post #148026, reply #4 of 17)
Richard , I was about to reply just as you have, and even confirm the age based on the metric dimensions printed on them. I think Pomland went metric in 1965....
I have several firmer chisels like those and confirm the steel is good (dang, how can this be , it is modern steel-say the steel heads). Another myth.,...
You might check with the (post #148026, reply #5 of 17)
You might check with the people at "The Best Things" web site. They have a collection of antique hand tools and may know the value or be interested in buying them.
thanks (post #148026, reply #6 of 17)
I appreciate the feedback. I've gotten in touch with several individuals who are very familiar with these chisels as well, and confirm that they are excellent chisels. More for a working chisel than for collection, at least the guys I talked to said they'd use them and a few were envious.
The value, from sources who buy this type chisel to use them to work with (like me) has remained pretty consistent at $600 for the set. Everyone I've talked to is in that area for a sale price, and most have said don't let them go for less (or call me!).
So I've set the value and sale price there at $600. I expect that they'll find the right home, at the right time. I'm in no hurry and I may end of using them if my workload changes and I can find a good use for them. My LN really fill the bill for me, but my work is boxes, drawers, dovetails, etc.
Thanks again to all. Sorry bargain hunters (received lots of low ball offers), not gonna happen. Take care men.
scottd.
Big Ransom Studio
scottd@bigransomstudio.com
A craftsman needs three things: Accuracy, technique, and quality. Accuracy can be set; technique can be learned; but quality must be bought and built.
I do have a set of 10 (post #148026, reply #7 of 17)
I do have a set of 10 morticing chiselsI(marples). the only differences are the bevel and those have some grooves around the handle. yours have stickers on them and mine are stamped. doubt that I paid $100.00 new for them. Late 70's- early 80's
ron
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differences?? (post #148026, reply #8 of 17)
The real diffrerences are likely less seen. The steel and quality. The steel from your set is not the same tool steel, and the quality of materials, all excepting the steel are of much different qualities. The mfg processes are likely on a whole different level as well.
You did indeed get a $100 set of chisels. You did not get a set comparable to these for $100. It's funny how marketing makes us believe that we're getting the same thing for a 'big bargain'. The reality is that you just got a product that was made from less, by less, in a process transferring less into the product's longevity - then you paid less for it.
I'm not at all saying less expensive tools are not 'good' tools - not at all. But the Stanley chisel you buy at Lowes isn't an LN, no matter how much similar work we do with them.
Enjoy your set. It sounds like they work well for you, and best of all you are happy with the value that you have received from them. To each his own when it comes to tools. take care
Big Ransom Studio
scottd@bigransomstudio.com
A craftsman needs three things: Accuracy, technique, and quality. Accuracy can be set; technique can be learned; but quality must be bought and built.
sorry to burst your bubble, (post #148026, reply #9 of 17)
sorry to burst your bubble, but I did buy them new and have had them for 30 years. are yours better because they are yours. tell me how the steel is better in yours?.. these have the same ash handles, ferrules , leathers and blade as yours.
I thinks perhaps that you have an inflated self value of yourself
ron
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chisel value (post #148026, reply #10 of 17)
I think we're talking about the value of chisels, not people, and you seem to take any evaluation of 'them' (the chisels) personally. So we'll just agree to disagree, because it doesn't really matter. If you don't understand steel composition and quality issues, and if you're happy with your set - what does it matter?
I certainly don't care, quite frankly. Be happy with your tools and move on.
I'm happy with mine and the value I place on them, and will do the same.
Let's part friends as we both value tools for the quality of work that our set performs, and when you're happy with that, it's all good. Take care and I'm glad you found a set that is a value to your work processes.
scottd.
Big Ransom Studio
scottd@bigransomstudio.com
A craftsman needs three things: Accuracy, technique, and quality. Accuracy can be set; technique can be learned; but quality must be bought and built.
I did ask you a question. (post #148026, reply #11 of 17)
I did ask you a question. How is the steel in yours any better than mine. you can make that judgement without even seeing mine, you are truly amazing as per your quote you only believe
"I have a really nice set of what I believe are the old style 'real' tool steel english made chiesels from Marples. as I do believe that the quality here is much higher. On the par of LN or Sorby"
and you condenm mine as a piece of crap. I do also have full sets of bevel edged, boxwood handled std and long chisels. in canel and out and a carving set . all purchased new. I even have the full colour brochure of all their chisels at that time and yours are not any more special than any others except that they are yours
you seem like your website . all smoke and mirrors, no substance
ron
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Argue with someone else (post #148026, reply #12 of 17)
You just want to argue about anything, and I don't care too. It doesn't matter - and you're a jackass. So take care and we'll let this thread end.
Big Ransom Studio
scottd@bigransomstudio.com
A craftsman needs three things: Accuracy, technique, and quality. Accuracy can be set; technique can be learned; but quality must be bought and built.
I am not argueing. you made (post #148026, reply #13 of 17)
I am not argueing. you made a statement and I have asked you a question to verify your statement about the quality of why your steel is better than what mine are. I feel that you are incapable of that or you would have staed it
a craftsman doesn't "need" those qualities as they are inherent with him being a craftsman.
ron
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you are right (post #148026, reply #14 of 17)
Sid,
This is not a forum for mettalurgy discussions, and actually I don't care to discuss it in the depth that you feel you want to hear. So I won't, not that I can't.
Let's just say that you are right. All chisels - your set, my set, each and every set built, here and in China, europe and all over the world: Every single set of chisels are created equal.
Good Job, Sid. Thanks for the input. now we can go back to wood working in peace. Take care chisel man.
Big Ransom Studio
scottd@bigransomstudio.com
A craftsman needs three things: Accuracy, technique, and quality. Accuracy can be set; technique can be learned; but quality must be bought and built.
why is this not a forum for (post #148026, reply #15 of 17)
why is this not a forum for metallurgy, again you were the one to say that yours were of a better quality. woodworking tools are all about metallurgy if one cares to understand it.
the chisels that you have were worth no more than the ones that I have now at that time in history. I am not argueing the price that you are asking for them now. it is whatever the market will bear I guess. all the more power to you if you get it. it means that all of mine have appreciated. just because you are asking $600.00 doen't make them any better
before you can call someone else a jackass, I would suggest that you look in a mirror
ron
I thought that you were finished with this awhile back. cheers
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truth (post #148026, reply #16 of 17)
my chisels are most definitely better - way better in every respect, jackass. and I am done, it's just fun getting you worked up over something so trivial. If you find that you need doorstops, you won't have far to look - use your crappy chisels. Lord knows they're no good for real work - and likely you wouldn't know how to use them well if they were. take care, JA.
Big Ransom Studio
scottd@bigransomstudio.com
A craftsman needs three things: Accuracy, technique, and quality. Accuracy can be set; technique can be learned; but quality must be bought and built.
you must be all of about 20 (post #148026, reply #17 of 17)
you must be all of about 20 years old
now I am going to ask another question that you can't answer. why are your chisels any better?
I am not getting wound up. if anyone is getting wound up , it is you, . I am not calling anyone any names. you have now said that you were done 3 times yet you keep coming back for more. you just like the attention, we can tell that from your website
cheers
ron
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